out, that if you didn't take commissioned steamships, for instance, or were part of the navy, you had to figure out who am i a citizen or subject of, and who is going to let me into their territory? >> [inaudible] >> no one -- see, people really neglect the southern hemisphere -- >> [inaudible] >> i'm sorry? >> there's no water. across australia there's big -- >> ah. the first man to walk across, walk around the world does go over australia with a mule. and at that point, this is the 20th century, so at that point he could get food and water more or easily. but, yes. the surface travelers, i must say, are some of the toughest, if not most mean-spirited people in the world. but you've got to be that way. i mean, it is really, really hard to do both physically and, i think, socially to put yourself at risk constantly like that. it's kind of a bloody-minded thing to do. i'm not, i don't sense among people your going to -- you're going to go off and do it anytime soon. or maybe so. >> you mentioned some of the dangers and the -- i guess what did locals or what are some, do you have some s